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Stack Wars: CloudStack vs. OpenStack

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dstrait
dstrait
7/12/2013 2:28:03 PM
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Why not more Eucalyptus?
Microsoft definitely sees easy migration between private and public clouds as a saleable feature. I think that Eucalyptus is a good way for Amazon to push into an area where they are weak: on-prem, private clouds.

I recall reading that Amazon and Eucalyptus have some sort of agreement with ech other. I presume this means that Amazon won't make some sort of wholesale change to their environment that would fatally break Eucalyptus.

BUT, I feel like Eucalyptus is not marketted well. Am I not following the proper blogs? 

If they would rebrand Eucalyptus as "AWS On-Prem", "AWS Local" or something, I think that more people would be aware of this solution. Amazon certainly has the money to buy Eucalyptus, if they decided to.

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Bill Kleyman
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7/15/2013 10:34:16 AM
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Re: Why not more Eucalyptus?
@dstrait - Excellent thoughts and examples. I should have just called this the "Cloud Platform Wars!" There are a lot of players entering the cloud model and are trying to provided that one single service to host them all.

In a way, this is a great thing for the end-user. As more competition tries to unify functions of the cloud - we the end-user will see all of the benefits. This means better service control, more resiliency, better management, and of course more interoperability. 

In fact, this is where we are seeing so many partnerships arise. Numerous organizations are funding cloud platform projects and - of course - folks like Amazon want in. I think their partnership with Eucalyptus is a solid move but it certainly does still need more development.

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Michael.Steinhart
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7/15/2013 11:40:51 AM
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Re: Why not more Eucalyptus?
Don't go looking at other blogs, dstrait! I interviewed Marten Mickos of Eucalyptus at last year's Cloud Expo, but he did not appear at this year's event. At the time, he made it clear that Eucalyptus was tied most tightly to AWS and was the best API for hybrid environments, but I haven't heard much from the company in recent months. What am I missing?

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Michael.Steinhart
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7/15/2013 11:42:59 AM
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Re: Why not more Eucalyptus?
It's funny,  Bill, because they say competition is good for customers, and now we're saying that consolidation is good for customers. And they're both right. The question I have is -- will interoperability be driven primarily by the open-source movement, or will VMware and/or MSFT commit to supporting a wider range of hypervisors and platforms than they do already?

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Bill Kleyman
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7/15/2013 1:56:09 PM
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Re: Why not more Eucalyptus?
@Michael.Steinhart - You are correct in that Eucaplyptus is pretty much working directly with Amazon. You're also correct that their primary partnership revolves around an expanded API set.

And finally, it has been rather quiet on the news front. Since the March 2012 announcement - there really hasn't been too much else said. Wonder why that might be...

You don't think there's an purchase in the works here, do you?

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Bill Kleyman
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7/15/2013 1:59:33 PM
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Re: Why not more Eucalyptus?
@Michael.Steinhart - You bring up a very good point! And, I just finished writing a blog for this site on this very topic.

Organizations like Google, MSFT and some others are actively trying to become your "Everything as a Service" provider. This means cloud, APIs, workloads, infrastructure and so on.

However, a lot of the movement in the cloud has been driven by open-source platforms. Furthermore, there continues to be direct drive from these products. Right now, it's a healthy market with open-source platforms making a real case for being the leader in the Stack wars. Cloud interoperatbility was really created on open-source platforms and enterprise organizations like VMware and MSFT are trying to jump on that bandwagon.

This might be by partnering... or by acquisition.

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DavidAllen
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7/15/2013 3:44:24 PM
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Re: Why not more Eucalyptus?
Yes @Michael, both scenarios are correct! This is one of those occasions when there are two right answers to a single question and it just shows how diverse the market is at the moment. This is of course, where the industry wins and because they are winning the consumers are able to get a deal too, it's the perfect business package for now.

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Michael.Steinhart
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7/15/2013 6:34:11 PM
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Re: Why not more Eucalyptus?
That's the kind of speculation that could cause rumors to start, Bill! This is the latest news on the Eucalyptus site, and it's several months old. The upshot is that its fate is very much bound up in the fortunes of AWS. I don't think that's a bad bandwagon to be on, but it remains to be seen how large enterprises embrace cloud, and whether they opt for AWS or something more white-glove (IBM, for example).

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Michael.Steinhart
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7/15/2013 6:35:31 PM
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Re: Why not more Eucalyptus?
On the one hand, it's a perfect business package. I agree with that, in terms of the wealth of potential and value. But what about the uncertainty of the platforms? OpenStack is faring better right now, but there are many other platforms to choose from. How should a company go about evaluating and deciding?

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dstrait
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7/16/2013 1:00:16 PM
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Re: Why not more Eucalyptus?
Does "expanded API set" mean "undocumented API"?

Microsoft is infamous for using undocumented API calls to operating system code from their application software. It might be apocryphal, but I've been hearing this for twenty years at least. I know that many of the more zealously anti-MS people continue to use it as an example of poor behavior. 

If Eucalyptus is getting something that "regular" developers or companies aren't, it certainly tips the playing field.

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