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Stack Wars: CloudStack vs. OpenStack

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Michael.Steinhart
Michael.Steinhart
7/23/2013 9:54:26 PM
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Re: Why not more Eucalyptus?
What do some of those vertical use cases look like, Bill? I know we discussed some in these blogs:

Cloud Outsourcing: 2 Use Cases


 

5 Use Cases for Cloud-Based VDI


Which industries do you think will adopt more quickly than others?


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Michael.Steinhart
Michael.Steinhart
7/23/2013 9:50:46 PM
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Re: Why not more Eucalyptus?
I think that's a great summary of the value proposition, Bill, and the potential benefits. But what about the onramp? This is a question for you and Marten. What kinds of expertise does a company need in-house, how much can they get from MSPs or the channel, and what's a typical roadmap look like?

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Michael.Steinhart
Michael.Steinhart
7/23/2013 9:48:05 PM
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Re: Why not more Eucalyptus?
You hit the nail on the head, Bill. So AWS has that sort of ecosystem built out via Eucaplyptus and kinda-sorta plays nicely with others, too. VMware is trying to build out that ecosystem with its own cloud and by playing nicely with most "enterprise-class" IT vendor clouds. IBM is trying to build out that ecosystem with SoftLayer's cloud infrastructure and OpenStack. They're all aiming for seamless integration of on-prem and cloud.

That's my very simplified view of the space. Who'm I missing, and which steps?

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Michael.Steinhart
Michael.Steinhart
7/23/2013 9:41:06 PM
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Re: Mirantis Fuel
So you're building a hosted private cloud from the ground up, AlanMAC. Thanks for sharing the details with us -- I'm sure I speak for everyone when I ask you to continue updating us.

Now, some follow-up questions: 

1. How are the public and private services differentiated right now? Are you talking about shared app seats vs. dedicated instances?

2. When you say, "I haven't run the numbers on paper," you're being facetious, right? Is there no way to project income and expenditures?

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Marten Mickos
Marten Mickos
7/23/2013 9:08:38 PM
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Re: Why not more Eucalyptus?
I completely agree. Everyone knows AWS. It has an absolutely enormous customer base and ecosystem. AWS users who also need an "on-premise availability zone" come to Eucalyptus.

Microsoft has a good hybrid offering but it's Windows-centric.

VMware is working on their hybrid solution.

Other than that there isn't much in terms of hybrid offerings today.

BTW, I did a presentation on this topic for Goldman Sachs and their customers. The 7-page slide deck is here: 

http://www.slideshare.net/martenmickos/eucalyptus-201306-forgs

 

Marten

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dstrait
dstrait
7/23/2013 2:43:25 PM
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Re: Why not more Eucalyptus?
It's great to see your comments here, I've just followed both of those accounts.

As I was saying, I think that everyone knows about AWS, even people who have never heard of RackSpace or OpenStack. On the admin sites I frequent and the user groups that I belong to, even ones that are naturally Microsoft-negative, Eucalyptus doesn't have the mind share that I suspect it deserves.

IMO, Microsoft sees it's on-prem abilities as a major selling point. I've been watching a lot of videos from TechEd and Build in the last few weeks, and I'm more certain of this than ever. Microsoft's on-prem tools are solid, Azure seems like it will gain enough momentum to survive and they are looking to build tools to allow movement back and forth. Clearly, Amazon has no on-prem reach without something like Eucalyptus.

I think that there will be environments that will not (or can not) use public clouds due to (perceived or real) security issues for the forseeable future. By their nature, many of those environments will have money to spend. Eucalyptus seems like a product that Amazon would have to create if it didn't already exist.

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Shepy
Shepy
7/22/2013 12:10:28 PM
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Promising
"The challenges: Even with so much adoption and development, OpenStack is still challenging to deploy. In many cases, it needs to be managed from various command-line consoles. Eight different modular components -- Compute, Open Storage, Block Storage, Networking, Dashboard, Identity Service, Image server, and Amazon Web Services compatibility -- comprise the fragmented architecture."

That modular take on it is interesting though, and should really leave the doors wide open for it to become quite the beast and incporporate so much more as it grows and matures.

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Bill Kleyman
Bill Kleyman
7/18/2013 9:33:11 PM
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Re: Why not more Eucalyptus?
@Michael.Steinhart - This type of platform is still picking up steam. There are a lot of new functionalities that have been introduced and really, they're only about a month old or so. 

Yes, we have a mature platform - but there were some big architecture improvements with 3.3. I'm pretty confident that we're going to see numerous deployments scaling many verticals. 

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Bill Kleyman
Bill Kleyman
7/18/2013 9:31:05 PM
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Re: Why not more Eucalyptus?
@Marten Mickos - "Ground to cloud" in no time. Pretty cool stuff. The new model for cloud management has to revolve around dynamic scalability and very efficient resource controls. 

Furthermore, more users than ever are needing direct visibility into their entire cloud environment to ensure optimal delivery services. The concept of autoscaling revolves around the further advancement within cloud computing automation. Couple that with dynamic and elastic load balancing and you have a cloud platform that is capable of provisioning and deprovisioning of resources as well as proper utilization of cloud workloads. 

Now, we have the direct integration with Amazon AWS and you create a truly unique type of cloud experiece. With so much new focus on the end-user, new types of devices, and the influx of people connecting to the Internet - more organizations are looking not only to get into a data center; but to get into cloud computing as well. This is a great way to jump in... quickly. 

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Bill Kleyman
Bill Kleyman
7/18/2013 9:23:44 PM
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Re: Why not more Eucalyptus?
@Michael.Steinhart - Auto Scaling? Elastic LB capabilities? That's pretty advanced stuff. Plus that partnership with Amazon really pushes the Eucalyptus architecture to a new level.

Imagine the new types of business that can now literally be born in the cloud. How many websites, services and other cloud-ready platforms can benefit from this type of granular cloud control?

I wouldn't be surprised if more cloud management stacks follow the same style. Connecting API and cloud management stacks with cloud data center services is a pretty powerful and enticing offering. 

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