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Stack Wars: CloudStack vs. OpenStack

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Bill Kleyman
Bill Kleyman
7/18/2013 9:20:12 PM
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Re: Why not more Eucalyptus?
@dstait - No.... I'm not a fan of undocumented APIs. I really believe in a world of a bit more standardization when it comes to cloud computing and APIs. I'm not anti-Microsoft, I'm just a fan of that specific process.

What Eucalyptus is doing is really the next step in the playing field. They're directly partering with data center providers - Amazon in this case - to deliver very powerful cloud solutions. Their latest 3.3 release basically creates an easy-to-manage, highly dynamic cloud platform. 

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AlanMAC
AlanMAC
7/18/2013 11:54:54 AM
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Re: Mirantis Fuel
Yes, you are correct. Right now I'm using StyleXNetworks. I have all of my infrastructure on there, right now it's just FreeSwitch, Zabbix and OTRS. Our goal is to let Mirantis do it's thing by controlling firewall and all the networking services and having dedicated firewalls for the management network. 

The goal of this is to expand my services with private cloud services for small and medium businesses as well as any public service they provide. I outsource all my graphic and web design work to another buddy and his team of minions. I'll provide the infrastructure for these companies, setting up the server, apache or nginx and any database they'd like, while his team will setup the web site. 

We haven't gotten to the point yet where we're thinking about splitting up the private/public cloud services into two physically separate clusters of equipment. We probably will, but it will be setup exactly the same. 

All this infrastructure will allow me to offer full, in house managed services, focused at the SMB market. All the companies that I see that are doing the same type of thing as me either 1, just manage their services at the customer location, or 2, depend on another cloud provider. My plan is to get away from that and manage it all. It's more upfront cost, but by doing this, I believe I can keep my prices quite a bit lower and offer a much more customizable option to customers. I haven't ran the numbers on paper, but there is a bigger payout after a period of time. The "sister" company I'm working with, we have a two year plan, within that two year window, we will be deploying at least 1 of these systems in a data center. Within two years after that, our plan is to deploy a 2nd fully redundant system with the ability to migrate instances from one reagion to the other. 

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Michael.Steinhart
Michael.Steinhart
7/18/2013 11:27:59 AM
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Re: Mirantis Fuel
That's a very astute observation, AlanMAC, and it sounds as though there's plenty of revenue to be had at the smaller-provider level without taking on any of the big players. 

Just so I understand - you're creating this environment for your own use, and your company provides outsourced IT services, yes? I want to get a better picture of how your environment will be managed and how it will be leveraged to drive your business.

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Marten Mickos
Marten Mickos
7/18/2013 11:24:26 AM
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Re: Why not more Eucalyptus?
I'd love to. We can talk about AppDynamics, Mosaik, EvntLive, One Health, Codenvy, Riot Games, Ultimate Gaming, Rafter, etc.

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AlanMAC
AlanMAC
7/18/2013 11:18:58 AM
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Re: Mirantis Fuel
Offering IaaS isn't our top priority. The setup will be mainly for our use, either hosted out of Denver or Seattle and we'll be providing services that we already offer. The IaaS offering is only a side effect. For instance, my co-conspirator has a couple of friends who pay him to use his servers. They develop on the VMs and use them for personal use. The same thing would go for us. We don't have any ambition to challenge the big guys and I doubt we ever will. Neither of our companies are out to raise enough capital to do so, as it would take quite a bit of money to challenge them. 

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Michael.Steinhart
Michael.Steinhart
7/18/2013 11:14:37 AM
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Re: Why not more Eucalyptus?
Thanks for commenting, Marten! I hope the members here will take advantage of the opportunity to reach out and engage with you. 

In terms of perception, I think everyone who's familiar with the cloud ecosystem associates Eucalyptus with AWS and understands the tight relationship. But in terms of high-profile news, we haven't heard much from Eucalyptus, at least until the announcement of the 3.3 release.

I would love to hear more about the successful customer deployments you have in place. Perhaps we'll be able to host a radio or video program with you!

 

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Michael.Steinhart
Michael.Steinhart
7/18/2013 11:09:55 AM
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Re: Mirantis Fuel
So you're building an IaaS cloud that you'll offer to select customers, AlanMAC? Or are you adding hosting/management services on top? Also, why would a customer opt to go with your service over a 'larger' one?

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Marten Mickos
Marten Mickos
7/17/2013 10:32:58 PM
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Re: Why not more Eucalyptus?
Thanks for all your comments.

 

Yes, Eucalyptus continues to be the only on-prem cloud platform with genuine AWS compatibility. Many of our customers move workload back and forth between AWS and Eucalyptus (AppDynamics, Mosaik Solutions, Nokia Siemens Networks, Raytheon, etc.)

 

Over time we will also support the APIs of whoever becomes the 2nd big public IaaS player. Today it just isn't clear who that will be.

 

As one person noted on this thread, we just shipped version 3.3 which brings AutoScaling, Elastic Load Balancing and CloudWatch to on-premise environments. You can download it and install it with FastStart and be up and running immediately.

 

Good feedback to us that we are not marketed well. We have been focused on building the best possible product and serving our customers. All suggestions and ideas are welcome! We are happy to answer any questions you may have. We are active on social media (Twitter, LinkedIn, Facebook, Google+, Quora, etc.) and I welcome you to follow us there. My own twitter account is @martenmickos.

 

Kind regards,

 

Marten Mickos

CEO, Eucalyptus

http://www.eucalyptus.com

 

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AlanMAC
AlanMAC
7/17/2013 4:22:01 PM
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Re: Mirantis Fuel
Hi Michael!

The infrastructure I'm developing is in conjunction with another company. We've decided Mirantis Fuel for the main reason that it's like the glue for all the OpenStack features. We'll be developing it rather simply, with 3 controller nodes and... for right now... 5 compute nodes. We will be using NAS4Free and making our own storage with SSD cache and two of these with HAST and CARP. The plan has come together... now we just need to secure the money. We won't be offering this to anyone and it will primarly be for our own use. The company I started is in the business for full IT Out sourcing. I have setup a home brew FreeSwitch deployment and active monitoring server and my buddy runs a hosting company. Although we have floated the idea of selling extra space.... we're wishy washy on if we want to do that or now. It would be an all you can eat type of offering where we would give you, say 8GB RAM and X amount of hard drive space as well as IP's as needed and you could install as many instances you need/want.

 

This is where Mirantis comes in, their "glue" makes all this possible without driving me too crazy.

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Michael.Steinhart
Michael.Steinhart
7/17/2013 4:11:07 PM
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Re: Mirantis Fuel
Thanks, AlanMAC, and welcome to the site! Can you tell us a little bit more about the infrastructure you're developing?

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